Hmmm well, I would say sex is the 5th and betting is the 5th but sex trafficking would be more the 8th or the 12th. I am commenting on the Aquarius group in the 5th and it turns out that there is a potential $50m gambling debt very close to Nancy. Cindy found this in international news reports.
Another hint is the first aspect of the Moon in Leo is a trine to Neptune. That is a secret or a lie revealed. And while horary does not generally treat the Moon's activity in the previous sign — the whole game is the Moon moves through one sign — Moon in late Cancer trine Saturn in late Pisces is something.
What we are missing is a transcript of the conversation over dinner at the daughter's house. We don't have any idea what that's about.
Ah, I just familiarized myself with the latest coverage of it. It appears the kidnapper is trying to make money off of her. I worry about her heart, but I feel she is still alive.
Any novice, I'm not even that, I do not know how to read charts, can clearly see that the two charts are wildly different. But I don't know what that means.
I am curious to see what others who know more have to say about them.
I haven't watched the coverage only overhear now and then, and
the way TMZ and all the rest of the media are behaving is making me sick.
I learned that there are tons of media outside her house.
I feel for the family.
It seems to me that some level of Family Hunger Games are going on.
I read that her husband was in the coal mining business Kentucky, and I did read that there was some friction around that.
But why isn't the media doing this kind of intense investigating over the 300,000 migrant children who went missing?
They are just gossipy snoopy and personal invaders when it comes to a murder but they are no where when it comes to events that impact our society, our humanity.
The problem here is that the Moon is immediately appplying to Pluto and then Mars just as she is dropped off at her house, assuming that even happened. Without my explicitly interpeting that, just put it togehter.
Can you explain your comment about moon applying to sun in second chart being good for assailant? Not doubting it, just not following. Sun rules the 4th… home invasion? Moon in Leo, ruled by sun, sun in its detriment…. Not quite connecting the dots here.
Moon to Pluto in an opposition to me indicates she was killed before she was discovered missing. Then she's discovered missing and the chart goes to how the investigation develops. In my read, Moon to Sun favors the perpetrator, not the victim. This is highly specific case by case and cannot be reduced to a formula. The other question is, will they even claim to have her body? I don't think she was kidnapped. I think she was killed in a robbery attempt and then a kidnapping was feigned to throw off a murder investigation.
In the first chart, the moon is in the 11th which would be the son in law’s house, assuming we are using the 1st house to signify Nancy, which I am. Ruler of the first house also rules the 8th of death. This feels like a super stretch, but north node is in the 6th which would actually be the son-in-law’s house of inheritance. I’ve had a lot of other thoughts, but they all lead to the same conclusion, seemingly whichever chart I use. Very sad outcome. I’m also not really sure even her body will be found.
One question - Is there a reason you didn’t present the chart for 1:47 am on 2/1 when the ring camera footage took place? I took a look at it, and my sense was that she may already have been dead. Maybe the intruder was trying to make it look like an intrusion, even though he had access to the house. I also had the sense that he may not have meant to kill her. I can’t entirely remember my reasoning, but it may have been related to mars ruling the intruder, mars in Aquarius ruled (modernly) by Uranus which is conjunct Algol.
You don't want to do too many charts. I did look at that one; but for a presentation like this, I want to limit my data set. Also disconnecting a camera is not a definitive event, though I suspect she was dead long before she was discovered missing. Above I explain:
<< Both are the standard kind of chart you look at in a missing person case: the last time the person was seen, and the moment they’re discovered missing. A diversity of intermediate charts exist, such as doorbell tampered with with and pacemaker disconnected.
However, I lean toward charts that are definitive in their meaning and that represent points of no return. They are very different charts, though both are ahead of the Full Moon. Some of you are familiar with the method for reading this type of crime scene chart using basic horary methods. >>
In the first chart, the Moon is applying by opposition to Pluto and then Mars. That does not bode well for Guthrie. In the crime scene chart, the Moon is applying to the Sun; looks good for the assailant
The last seen chart has the theme of gambling.
:o sex trafficking or much worse
Hmmm well, I would say sex is the 5th and betting is the 5th but sex trafficking would be more the 8th or the 12th. I am commenting on the Aquarius group in the 5th and it turns out that there is a potential $50m gambling debt very close to Nancy. Cindy found this in international news reports.
Another hint is the first aspect of the Moon in Leo is a trine to Neptune. That is a secret or a lie revealed. And while horary does not generally treat the Moon's activity in the previous sign — the whole game is the Moon moves through one sign — Moon in late Cancer trine Saturn in late Pisces is something.
What we are missing is a transcript of the conversation over dinner at the daughter's house. We don't have any idea what that's about.
Oh...Sagittarius in the 8th in the discovery chart.
I don't typically predict death. Why do you think she is dead? An empty 8th house?
Ah, I just familiarized myself with the latest coverage of it. It appears the kidnapper is trying to make money off of her. I worry about her heart, but I feel she is still alive.
I have no clue about the story. Reading blind. Yes! The 8th and 12th. It may not have been the original intention.
First, is she alive?
I don't believe she is alive either.
Any novice, I'm not even that, I do not know how to read charts, can clearly see that the two charts are wildly different. But I don't know what that means.
I am curious to see what others who know more have to say about them.
I haven't watched the coverage only overhear now and then, and
the way TMZ and all the rest of the media are behaving is making me sick.
I learned that there are tons of media outside her house.
I feel for the family.
It seems to me that some level of Family Hunger Games are going on.
I read that her husband was in the coal mining business Kentucky, and I did read that there was some friction around that.
But why isn't the media doing this kind of intense investigating over the 300,000 migrant children who went missing?
They are just gossipy snoopy and personal invaders when it comes to a murder but they are no where when it comes to events that impact our society, our humanity.
I am concerned that after all this hope and prayer, a nasty surprise is waiting for us at the end.
The problem here is that the Moon is immediately appplying to Pluto and then Mars just as she is dropped off at her house, assuming that even happened. Without my explicitly interpeting that, just put it togehter.
In the pictures I have seen of her she doesn't look like an 84 (hmm...Uranus return) year old women. Why not publicize the most recent photo of her?
Can you explain your comment about moon applying to sun in second chart being good for assailant? Not doubting it, just not following. Sun rules the 4th… home invasion? Moon in Leo, ruled by sun, sun in its detriment…. Not quite connecting the dots here.
Moon to Pluto in an opposition to me indicates she was killed before she was discovered missing. Then she's discovered missing and the chart goes to how the investigation develops. In my read, Moon to Sun favors the perpetrator, not the victim. This is highly specific case by case and cannot be reduced to a formula. The other question is, will they even claim to have her body? I don't think she was kidnapped. I think she was killed in a robbery attempt and then a kidnapping was feigned to throw off a murder investigation.
Idk anything about the case. Looks like a violent man kidnapped her.
In the first chart, the moon is in the 11th which would be the son in law’s house, assuming we are using the 1st house to signify Nancy, which I am. Ruler of the first house also rules the 8th of death. This feels like a super stretch, but north node is in the 6th which would actually be the son-in-law’s house of inheritance. I’ve had a lot of other thoughts, but they all lead to the same conclusion, seemingly whichever chart I use. Very sad outcome. I’m also not really sure even her body will be found.
One question - Is there a reason you didn’t present the chart for 1:47 am on 2/1 when the ring camera footage took place? I took a look at it, and my sense was that she may already have been dead. Maybe the intruder was trying to make it look like an intrusion, even though he had access to the house. I also had the sense that he may not have meant to kill her. I can’t entirely remember my reasoning, but it may have been related to mars ruling the intruder, mars in Aquarius ruled (modernly) by Uranus which is conjunct Algol.
You don't want to do too many charts. I did look at that one; but for a presentation like this, I want to limit my data set. Also disconnecting a camera is not a definitive event, though I suspect she was dead long before she was discovered missing. Above I explain:
<< Both are the standard kind of chart you look at in a missing person case: the last time the person was seen, and the moment they’re discovered missing. A diversity of intermediate charts exist, such as doorbell tampered with with and pacemaker disconnected.
However, I lean toward charts that are definitive in their meaning and that represent points of no return. They are very different charts, though both are ahead of the Full Moon. Some of you are familiar with the method for reading this type of crime scene chart using basic horary methods. >>
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I don’t believe she is alive.
In the first chart, the Moon is applying by opposition to Pluto and then Mars. That does not bode well for Guthrie. In the crime scene chart, the Moon is applying to the Sun; looks good for the assailant